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Grote Prijs van Limburg

Zolder, 8 Jun 1969

ResultsLapsTime/Speed
1 Jochen Rindt Lotus 59B [59-F2-19] - Cosworth FVA
#2 Roy Winkelmann Racing
48
2 Jacky Ickx Brabham BT23C [16] - Cosworth FVA
#9 Frank Williams Racing Cars [Alistair Walker]
(see note 1)
48
3 Piers Courage Brabham BT30 [5] - Cosworth FVA
#8 Frank Williams Racing Cars (see note 2)
48
4 Graham McRae Brabham BT23C [1] - Cosworth FVA
#27 Frank Williams Racing Cars (see note 3)
48
5 Bill Ivy Brabham BT23C [11] - Cosworth FVA
#22 Paul Watson Race Organisation
(see note 4)
48
6 Graham Birrell Brabham BT23C [5-2] - Cosworth FVA
#14 Ecurie Ecosse (see note 5)
48
7 Malcolm Guthrie Brabham BT30 [4] - Cosworth FVA
#17 Frank Williams Racing Cars (see note 6)
47
8 Xavier Perrot Brabham BT23C [17] - Cosworth FVA
#23 Squadra Tartaruga (see note 7)
46
9 Bernd Terbeck Brabham BT23C [8] - Cosworth FVA
#12 Montan Racing Team (see note 8)
46
10 Don Godden Brabham BT23C [2] - Cosworth FVA
#24 John Whitmore (see note 9)
42
11 Graham Hill Lotus 59B [59-F2-20] - Cosworth FVA
#1 Roy Winkelmann Racing
35
12 Jackie Stewart Matra MS7 [01] - Cosworth FVA
#3 Matra International
24
13 Robin Widdows Brabham BT23C [12] - Cosworth FVA
#16 Bob Gerard Racing (see note 10)
24
14 Dieter Quester Lola T102 [F2 68/1] - BMW M12
#7 Bayerische Motoren Werke
23
15 Johnny Servoz-Gavin Matra MS7 [04] - Cosworth FVA
#4 Matra International
21
16 Kurt Ahrens Brabham BT30 [1] - Cosworth FVA
#10 Ahrens Racing Team (see note 11)
20
17 Hubert Hahne Lola T102 [F2 68/2] - BMW M12
#6 Bayerische Motoren Werke
19
18 Jo Siffert BMW F269 [F2 69-1] - M12
#5 Bayerische Motoren Werke (see note 12)
12
19 Werner "Noddy" Lindermann Brabham BT23 [7] - Cosworth FVA
#20 Montan Racing Team (see note 13)
11
20 Roland Binder Tecno 68/F2 [T00 286] - Cosworth FVA
#11 Roland Binder (see note 14)
4
DNS Peter Westbury Brabham BT30 [3] - Cosworth FVA
#15 FIRST Racing (see note 15)
Did not start

All cars are 1.6-litre F2 unless noted.

Heat 1 Laps Time Speed
1Jochen Rindt24
2Jacky Ickx24
3Graham Hill24
4Piers Courage24
5Jackie Stewart24
6Graham McRae24
7Bill Ivy24
8Graham Birrell24
9Xavier Perrot23
10Malcolm Guthrie23
11Bernd Terbeck23
12Johnny Servoz-Gavin21
13Kurt Ahrens20
14Don Godden20
15Dieter Quester20retired
16Hubert Hahne19retired
17Werner "Noddy" Lindermann11retired
18Jo Siffert5retired
19Roland Binder3retired
20Robin Widdows0retired
Heat 2 Laps Time Speed
1Jochen Rindt241
2Jacky Ickx242
3Piers Courage244
4Bill Ivy247
5Graham McRae246
6Malcolm Guthrie2410
7Robin Widdows2416
8Graham Birrell248
9Xavier Perrot239
11Don Godden2212
12Bernd Terbeck2311
12Graham Hill113
13Jo Siffert714
14Dieter Quester313
16Roland Binder115
Hubert HahneDid not start
Johnny Servoz-GavinDid not start
Kurt AhrensDid not start
Werner "Noddy" LindermannDid not start
Jackie StewartDid not start
Qualifying
Qualifying information not available

Notes on the cars:

  1. Brabham BT23C [16] (Jacky Ickx): New to Frank Williams Racing Cars intended for Juan Manuel Bordeu to race in the F2 Argentine Temporada in December 1968. Retained by Williams for 1969 and raced for him by Piers Courage until his new BT30 was delivered. Earlier suggestions that this car was used by Gagliardi and Marcello Gallo in F3 in 1969 do not now appear to be correct. Sold to Alistair Walker and entered by him for Jacky Ickx to race late 1969, for Walker himself at Thruxton early 1970 and then in the Japanese GP at Fuji in May. Sold to Walter Kinnear (Gilford, County Down, Northern Ireland), fitted with a 1600cc Ford twin cam and raced by him in Irish libre racing from September 1970 to the end of the 1972 season. To John Blades (Whitley Bay, Northumberland) in part-exchange for Blades' Lotus 69 and advertised for sale by Blades in 1973. Sold to Joe Applegarth (Houghton-le-Spring, County Durham) who used parts from this car on his Monoposto Formula BT23C/5.
  2. Brabham BT30 [5] (Piers Courage): Sold to Frank Williams Racing Cars and entered for Piers Courage and Richard Attwood in F2 in 1969. Then sold to Albert Poon (Hong Kong) and raced by him at the Macau GP in November 1969. Retained by Poon for South East Asian racing in 1970, 1971 and 1972. Reported to have been scrapped.
  3. Brabham BT23C [1] (Graham McRae): The prototype BT23C was used at the end of the 1967 season by Jack Brabham and Frank Gardner and then sold to Frank Williams for Picko Troberg to drive, but not start, at Hockenheim in April 1968. It was then used briefly in F3 by Harry Stiller but wasn't seen again until October 1968 when Piers Courage took it over for the Albi F2 race, his regular BT23C/07 having been "sold to Tasmania" (Autosport 25 Oct 1968 p14). Then to Laurence Brownlie (Kelso, South Island, New Zealand), possibly leased by Williams, and raced in the 1969 Tasman series before returning to Europe for Graham McRae to drive in the 1969 F2 series, entered by Williams again. Not seen after July 1969 but reappeared in April 1970 when advertised by Bobby Howlings. Sold to Rodney Seow in Singapore but never raced. Traded together with Seow's Brabham BT9 to Mike Truter by 1980 and sold on to Brian Wilson (Australia) about 1983. Wilson imported the cars to Australia, had the BT23C restored and raced it in historic racing for more than 20 years. Sold to Chad Parrish (Sydney, Australia) early 2014.
  4. Brabham BT23C [11] (Bill Ivy): New to Winkelmann Racing for Alan Rees to race in F2 in 1968 but also raced by Gerhard Mitter at Hockenheim in October. To Bill Ivey for 1969 and entered for him in F2 races by Paul Watson Racing Organisation (PWRO). To Brian Cullen (Limerick, County Limerick, Ireland) in August 1969 and he raced it in a F5000 race and in libre in 1969, in European F2 events in 1970, and at Bogotá in early 1971. Entered by Irish Racing Team for Lingard Goulding at Mondello Park in July 1971 and then maybe the BT23C raced by Ted Shanahan (Dublin) over the next two months and also possibly the BT23C raced by Roy Courtney (Lisburn, County Antrim, Northern Ireland) in local clubmans/club specials racing in 1972. To Harold McGarrity (Belfast) for 1973 and raced in Formula Ireland with a 1.6-litre Holbay engine. To Paddy Heron for 1974 and raced in clubmans and in Formula Atlantic. For sale from Glengormley in 1975 and entered by Belfast car dealer Noel Crymble for Chris Stanfield to race at Kirkistown a couple of times until the Holbay pushrod engine blew up. Next seen when bought from Ireland by Mark Raymont who still had it in the late 1980s with a Holbay engine and Hewland Mk 8 gearbox. Sold to Steve Worrad of Maverick Motorsport around 2002 and restored by him. For sale by Maverick in 2004 and sold the following year via the Bonhams auction at RAF Hendon to Joe Willenpart (Scheibbs, Austria).
  5. Brabham BT23C [5-2] (Graham Birrell): New to Winkelmann Racing for Jochen Rindt to race in F2 in 1968, winning four of his first seven races. Driven by Vic Elford at at Monza in June and crashed. The car was rebuilt on a new chassis and Rindt won two more races later that year. To Ecurie Ecosse and raced by Graham Birrell in F2 in 1969. Ecurie Ecosse and Birrell had a BT30 for 1970 but the BT23C was raced in a libre at Ingliston in May when it was crashed. Sold in July to Stanley Robinson who fitted the engine, gearbox and suspension to the Unipower GT Group 6 car he raced with John Blanckley. The BT23C chassis was repaired some time around 1972 and sold to Joe Applegarth (Houghton-le-Spring, County Durham) who built it up using parts from BT23C/16 and fitted a pushrod Ford engine for Monoposto racing. Raced by Applegarth from 1973 until the end of 1977, competing in around 130 events, and then retained after Applegarth retired. Sold by him to Joe Willenpart (Scheibbs, Austria) in 2010.
  6. Brabham BT30 [4] (Malcolm Guthrie): Sold to Frank Williams Racing Cars and entered for Malcolm Guthrie in two F2 races at Zolder and Monza in June 1969, and for Derek Bell at Vallelunga at the end of the season. Next seen in June 1970 when entered by Scuderia Jolly Club for Giancarlo Gagliardi but now given as chassis BT30-7 instead of BT30-4. For Silvio Moser at Bogotá early 1971 and at Mallory Park in March; then entered by Scuderia Ala d'Oro for several drivers in the first half of the season. Unknown after June 1971. A car with chassis number BT30-7 with Fabio Montani (Italy) in 1997. This car was imported to the US by Dave Irwin (Colorado) in 1998 and restored. Then via Barry Marquart (Kansas) 1999, Peter McLaughlin (Hannover, NH) 2005, James King (Belleville, IL) 2006 and Richard Scott (Ohio) 2007 to Brad Baker (Oshawa, Ontario) in 2009.
  7. Brabham BT23C [17] (Xavier Perrot): New to Jorge Cupeiro to be used in the F2 Argentine Temporada in December 1968. Sold to Xavier Perrot (Zürich, Switzerland) for 1969 and raced in the Swiss championship and in selected F2 races as a Squadra Tartaruga entry. To Kurt Buess (Gelterkinden) for 1970 and raced in hillclimbs in Switerland and France. Note that this is not the car bearing the identity 'BT23C/17' that was imported into New Zealand by Baron Robertson in 1970. Buess was last seen racing this car at Neubiberg 25 Oct 1970. Subsequent history unknown but quite possibly the "BT23C" raced by Heinz Schulthess (Corcelles) at the Gurnigel hill climb in Switzerland in September 1971.
  8. Brabham BT23C [8] (Bernd Terbeck): New to Kurt Ahrens (Braunschweig, Germany) and raced by him in F2 in 1968 under the Caltex Racing banner. Sold to Bernd Terbeck (Hiltrup, Germany) and run as part of the Montan Racing Team in F2 in 1969 and 1970. Then unknown in 1971 and 1972. Former Mini racer Graham Cooper (Sedgley, Worcestershire) raced his "newly acquired Brabham BT23C" in a sprint at Curborough in March 1973. This car was sold by Cooper to Richard Churchley (Hampton-in-Arden, Warwickshire) and run by him in sprints in 1975 with a Ford twin cam and then in 1976 with a 1600cc Hart BDA. From Churchley to Bill Morris who wanted the engine for his Ensign and sold the rest of the car to Robin Darlington in early 1977. Then to Les Aylott (Oakham, Rutland) and David Knowles, fitted with Aylott's turbcharged 1600cc BDA engine by by June 1977, and raced in 1977 and 1978. Advertised from Oakham in April 1981. Then unknown until raced by Peter Rogers (High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire) in the HSCC Bradburn & Wedge Pre-71 series in 1984 with a BDA engine. (Possibly the car raced by Jon Bradburn in late 1983.) Raced by Rogers until 1987. Sold by Rogers' father Sir John Rogers to David Brown (Ashford, Kent) in 1999 and raced by him in the HSCC Classic Racing Cars Championship. Raced regularly by David Brown (Ashford, Kent) in HSCC events until sold to Graham Adelman (Free Union, VA) in 2014.
  9. Brabham BT23C [2] (Don Godden): Early history unknown and possibly built for intended works team. Sold to Frank Lythgoe Racing in June 1968 for Peter Gethin to race in F2, replacing a Chevron B10. Reported to have gone to George Pitt in November 1968 but quickly found its way to John Whitmore and entered by Alan Mann Racing for Don Godden to drive in F2 in 1969 but his season was soon abandoned. Presumably the car advertised by Alan Mann Racing in 1970. Then unknown until raced by Maurice Ogier in sprints in 1972 when it had a Vegantune twin cam engine. Sold to Low Cost Racing at the end of 1972 and advertised by them in March 1973. Next seen when run by Vic Durman in Monosposto racing in 1974 and advertised from a London number at the end of that year. Advertised by Bobby Howlings' Cheshire Sports Cars in July 1976. Then unknown until owned by Ian Webb of Northdown Racing (Ripley, Surrey) in 1982 and loaned to Mike Hartley for the Gates-Varley Monoposto Series. Then via Keith Norman (Slough, Berkshire) 1985, Hugo Studer (Berne, Switzerland) 1987, Sepp Mayer (Germany) 1997 and John Counsell (Lincoln, UK) 2005 to Andrew Fellowes (Benowa, Queensland, Australia) 2009. Sold by Fellowes to Gary Hancock April 2011 and raced by his son Damon from 2011 onwards
  10. Brabham BT23C [12] (Robin Widdows): New to Frank Williams' customer Corrado Manfredini and raced as a Scuderia Picchio Rosso entry in F2 from June onwards. Returned to Williams and entered by Frank Williams Racing Cars for Malcolm Guthrie in F2 in early 1969 but sold to Bob Gerard (Leicester) in May and entered for his drivers Robin Widdows and Brian Hart, each of who won a race that summer in the car. Advertised by Gerard Racing as a rolling chassis in August 1970. Sold to drag racer Gerry Tyack (Moreton-in-Marsh, Gloucestershire) in 1970 and used to set four national speed records at Elvington, and also to win the Brighton Speed Trials. Advertised by Tyack in November 1971. Its history thereafter is unclear but it reappeared in 1986 being raced by Adrian Thomas in HSCC events, then with Kelvin Lambeth (London) in 1988-89 and with Monte Shalett (Metairie, LA) in 1990. Advertised by Mark Leonard of Grand Prix Classics (La Jolla, CA) in 1998 and sold by him to Peter Ball who did not use it much, preferring his FJ. From Bull to Harindra de Silva (Palos Verdes Estates, CA) February 2008 and raced in 2008 and 2009. Then stored until run in the F1 Support Race at COTA in November 2013.
  11. Brabham BT30 [1] (Kurt Ahrens): Sold new to Kurt Ahrens (Braunschweig, Germany) and raced in European F2. Sold to Montan Racing Team for 1970 and raced by Werner Lindermann but destroyed by fire prior to the Hockenheim round.
  12. BMW F269 [F2 69-1] (Jo Siffert): The first F269 to appear is called "F2/4" by Autosport at Zolder but it seems evident from later events that it was F2-70-1. it was raced by Gerhard Mitter, Jo Siffert, Dieter Quester and Hubert Hahne before Hahne wrecked in in practice at Enna-Pergusa in August. It was not seen again.
  13. Brabham BT23 [7] (Werner "Noddy" Lindermann): To Gerhard Mitter (Germany) and raced in selected F2 events in 1967. Then entered by Mitter Tuning for Werner Lindermann in 1968. Retained by Lindermann and entered by Montan Racing Team through the 1969 season, returning in 1970 for the team's second driver Helmut Gall. Last seen at Hockenheim on 12 April 1970 but believed to have been destroyed some time later.
  14. Tecno 68/F2 [T00 286] (Roland Binder): Bought by Charles Vögele for Silvio Moser (Lugano, Switzerland) to race in European F2 and Swiss Championship events in 1968. Also taken to the Argentine Temporada at the end that year. Sold to Roland Binder (Esslingen, Germany) and used in F2 in 1969, 1970 and 1971. According to later owner Oliver Heschl- Gillespie, the Tecno went to Bernd Burger (Rüsselsheim, Germany) and was converted to a Group 7 sports car using a KMW body as the "Burger P3", still with its 1600cc Cosworth FVA. Burger raced it in German national racing 1973 and 1974 after which the rolling chassis was sold to Karl Langjahr (Darmstadt, Germany) who fitted a Porsche engine and raced it in Interserie and national events as a Tecno-Porsche until 1980. Then to Bernd Becker (Idar-Oberstein, Germany) who only wanted the engine. The car continued via Kurt Henn (Idar-Oberstein, Germany) to Christina Berthold (Nürnberg, Germany) who raced it briefly with a new Porsche engine at which point it was sold to the Rosso Bianco Collection (Aschaffenburg, Germany). Sold by the museum in 1999, it passed via an Viennese Porsche dealer to Olivier Heschl-Gillespie (Vienna, Austria) who had it restored by Karl Langjahr to its 1974 specification.
  15. Brabham BT30 [3] (Peter Westbury): New to Peter Westbury and used for a full season of European F2 in 1969, winning at Neubiberg in October. Sold to John Wingfield and used in libre and in selected F2 events in 1970 and 1971. Then to Jim Charnock (Liverpool) and used extensively in Formule Libre through to the end of 1975 but then unknown until advertised by Brian Classic in 1984. Sold to Chris Mann (UK) 1985 and then sold via Frank Sytner to Ray Delaney (Melbourne, Australia) in 1987. Raced by Delaney in east coast Australian historic events the next six years at Calder Raceway (Vic), Sandown Park (Vic), Oran Park (NSW), Amaroo Park (NSW), Winton Raceway (Vic) and the support races at the Australian Grand Prix in Adelaide (SA) in 1988 and 1989. Sold to Dick James in 1993. To Mike Carmody 2003 and sold by him to Tom Lee October (Puyallup, WA) 2005. Restored for 2007 to its original livery.

Sources

The identification of individual cars in these results is based on the material presented elsewhere in this site and may in some cases contradict the organisers' orginal results.

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Individual sources for this event

Autosport (13 Jun 1969 pp8-11) gives chassis numbers for all cars present, including the Lola T102s (F2/1/68 and F2/2/68) and the new 1969 Dornier-built BMW (F2/4). Rindt's car is given as 59/F2/19, not the 59/F2/21 as stated earlier in the year. Perrot "was having his first outing with the little-used ex-Jorge Cupiero BT23C/17, which replaced his old BT23 written off at the Nurburgring by a Porsche". Werner Lindermann's car wa given as BT23/9 and fellow German Roland Binder "was having his first race in the ex-Silvio Moser Tecno" 68/F2 T00286.